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you. >> a very good evening to you. you're with gb news i'm sam francis. back to lee in just a few short moments. first though, the headlines at just after 7:00. the prime minister, sir keir starmer, has announced a package of support for southport following monday's knife attack that killed three young girls dunng that killed three young girls during his second visit this week. sir keir starmer praised the town's resilience and announced a mental health support package to bolster local cohesion. he's also met with emergency services there and visited alder hey children's hosphal visited alder hey children's hospital, where many of the victims of the attack were treated. the prime minister praised the hospital's staff for their brave and professional response to the attack. well, southport has seen violent unrest due to false claims about the attacker's identity that were spread on social media, with concerns of further violence in the liverpool city region over the weekend. sir keir starmer has condemned hatred on the streets, calling now for a national response to the disorder. robert jenrick claims the conservatives lost the general election in july

because of a broken promise on immigration. the former immigration. the former immigration minister was speaking at the launch of his campaign to become leader and to succeed rishi sunak. mrjenrick also claimed the british political system has appeared either unwilling or unable. he says, to secure the uk's borders broke our promise to the british to public deliver controlled and reduced migration and the secure border that the public rightly demand. >> we allowed the cycle of broken promises to continue and as a minister, when i concluded that i couldn't secure any more changes to our legal migration system, i resigned from cabinet last year . last year. >> a mural of former newsreader huw edwards in his home village of carmarthenshire has been removed today. the artwork has now been painted over while institutions including bangor and cardiff universities are

reviewing their ties with the ex—bbc presenter. that's after he admitted to accessing indecent images of children. the culture secretary, lisa nandy, is calling on the bbc to reclaim the 2000 £200,000 rather in salary that mr edwards received between his arrest in november and his resignation in april this year . and his resignation in april this year. prisoners who've been released as part of an exchange between russia and the west have spoken of their burden that others are still in jail. it was the biggest exchange of prisoners since the cold war and included jul russian citizen vladimir kara—murza. he was detained following opposition to the invasion of ukraine in exchange , eight russian exchange, eight russian prisoners were freed, including an assassin who was serving life in germany . we've heard tonight in germany. we've heard tonight that 96 migrants are suing the uk government, claiming that they were badly treated at the manston processing centre in kent, their lawyers claim the group were unlawfully detained between september and november of 2022. allegations also include a lack of access to hygiene products , forced removal

hygiene products, forced removal of hijabs and reportedly inadequate conditions for children and pregnant women. the home office hasn't yet filed a defence. and finally, some good news it's from the paris games. team gb have won another three gold medals on day seven of the paris games. it takes the tally so far to nine. the wins came in the equestrian team jumping final on the trampoline and in the water in the women's lightweight double sculls race, and this further medal hopes tonight as well, with bmx rider bethany shriever and swimmers ben proud, duncan scott and tom dean among those pushing for a spot on the podium for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . slash alerts. >> welcome to lee anderson's real world. i'm the reform uk member of parliament for ashfield, and tonight joining me

on the show for the second time is trevor kavanagh. the former political editor for the sun, and he's back stephen pound. two furious pensioners have just had their winter fuel payment robbed off them by sir keir starmer. but stephen, seriously, this week we've seen some rather nasty. oh, for the past two weeks should i say some nasty incidents around the country and the police have come in for some support and a lot of flack as well. what's happening with policing in our country? very easy thing to do is to talk about the hot weather and hooliganism. >> but i think what we have to do, and i think all of us in the establishment, you know, actually actually look ourselves in the mirror and say, what is it about this country at the present time that has actually provided a tinderbox where one spark can set off this sort of response up and down the country? we can talk about policing by all means. we can talk about the policing losing control of the streets being a riot squad instead of a detective force. we can talk about that till the cows come home. but the real underlying

issue here is what is it about our country at the moment that has a vast millions of people completely disaffected, who are prepared to come out on the streets at the drop of a hat and cause absolute, utter mayhem. we need to do some soul searching . need to do some soul searching. you do in parliament, if you don't mind me saying so. >> stephen says, what is it, trevor? what is it? >> well, in two words. it's multiculturalism, which is badly managed and has been allowed to run out of control with mass immigration and the attempt to force many cultures to meld together in a melting pot . and together in a melting pot. and that has been an abject failure, and we're going to be paying not just the price now, but for a long time in the future. >> multiculturalism. stephen it talks about a melting pot. it was trevor. i don't think there is a melting pot in this country because we're not coming together. >> i disagree to a certain extent. look, if you want to see how multiculturalism doesn't work, if you want to see where there really is blood on the streets, look at france, look at paris, look at the banlieue. look at what happens there where you have ghetto communities. we

in this country actually have a pretty damn proud tradition. going back to the huguenots, you know, all you know, the irish people coming over here in the 50s and the 60s. we have actually integrated. there is an issue with some of the communities who've moved in recently who for various reasons, before we had the engush reasons, before we had the english language test for citizenship, actually did live in closed communities. i hope we've moved on from that. but this isn't with due respect to trevor, i don't think this is just about multiculturalism. >> well, well, we're going to come back to trevor because he talks about france and it is a horrific sometimes over there in paris. we've seen the scenes there. but isn't that creeping into this country trevor. >> well it's the same thing. multiculturalism hasn't worked across the whole of europe. and stephen talks about the success, which is correct, of our melding of populations up until the 19505 of populations up until the 1950s and 60s. but this all broke loose in the 1980s under tony blair's government when he opened the doors. and i think that even tony blair now admits that even tony blair now admits that it was not properly handled. and i think when you're trying to put together very large numbers of people, i mean, millions of people coming in over a short period of time , 20 over a short period of time, 20 years and trying to make them

assimilate without having the facilities. >> but we're not trying , though, >> but we're not trying, though, trevor. we're not trying. we're not trying. we just let people in and say, get on with it. >> well, exactly. this is the way the failure lies. i mean, schools are the are the biggest victims of this and also the place where if there were to be a melding of populations, that's where it would begin. but teachers do not have the opportunity, and perhaps not even the will to try to keep any sort of discipline in the classrooms. for instance, katharine birbalsingh, who runs an excellent school where a mixed race and mixed culture pupils are working together because she insists on having parameters which the children themselves actually enjoy and they like the success of the school. people have different religions are actually succeeding in that environment. and it's the only school in britain probably that's doing that. >> stephen, you know, i said at the beginning of the clip that our police come in for a lot of

flak, and they've had a lot of support as well. but they're on the front line. and i always say that it's not the police officers on the front line who's taking the bricks and the bottles and the and the abuse and all this nastiness that goes off. it's the bosses and it's those people over there in parliament who are instructing the police out to police our streets. is it time to get tougher? >> well, you make a good point, lee, every day you walk past the memorial to pc keith palmer. i do, who was slaughtered in the carriageway into the house of commons. there by an extremist, a police officer who gave his life. you can see yvonne fletcher's memorial up the road again. the police officers have very often not just been the thin blue line, but they've actually been the deadline. they're the people who've actually given everything, whether this comes from the top or not. i don't know. all i can say is there has to be a different sort of home office direction for the police in two areas, one is we've got to actually start detecting crime. we've actually got to do something about shoplifting. but above all, we've got to concentrate, i think. i think it was lee anderson who said, well, i'm a bit fed up with the police dancing round rainbow flags. it

was me. yeah, yeah. and you know, you do get quoted fairly frequently. i think there's a fair point about that. but that isn't the totality of it. we have laws in this country which are quite rightly brought in to protect the innocent, which may be may be, are not having. >> well, let's talk about laws in this country, shall we, stephen? but we've seen another case in the news this week. huw edwards he was up in court this week. he's pleaded guilty for receiving some sexual images of children. you're the former political editor of the sun. you had something to say about this when it first happened? >> yes , this happened this first >> yes, this happened this first broke a year ago when the sun ran the story about huw edwards relationship with a young person, where money was changing hands and photographs or images were being exchanged to the parents of this youngster, went to the bbc to complain , or at to the bbc to complain, or at least to register the point, and they were ignored . so they came they were ignored. so they came to the sun. and the sun, to its enormous credit, ran the story. despite the huge uproar by outraged supporters of huw edwards and the bbc. and to my

amazement, by our own former edhon amazement, by our own former editor, david yelland, who i think probably will now be big enough to offer an apology. yeah, the simple fact is that newspapers are there to expose those who are doing wrong, especially those in high places, and especially people who are basically a sainted representative of the bbc, which has a terrible track record for deaung has a terrible track record for dealing with these sort of complaints. >> well, terrible track record, stephen. i mean, look who's been lurking around in the in the corridors of the bbc over the past 30 or 40 years. gary glitter, we've got jimmy savile we've got stuart hall, yeah, rolf harris. yeah. the list goes on. >> there's a back history. look, i come to this a slightly different angle i think quite clearly the bbc on the one hand, was claiming to have a duty of care to one of its own staff. on the other hand, whether they had a duty of care to the children is another, more important duty of care. >> all right, steve, i think he got a 40 grand pay rise while having this duty of care for it. >> when i when i think about this these category a pictures. this is the most revolting, disgusting stuff you could

imagine. and in a week where we've seen what happens when we lose our young children, when we actually realise how priceless and precious childhood is, we should actually be working with huw edwards and say, look, we want all the information, we want all the information, we want the trails, the audit trail, we want the names. let's some good come out of this, but let's not just concentrate on the bbc and huw edwards. let's think about the victims here, the victims of the young children who were coerced, bullied, beaten, who knows what into producing this filth for perverts who frankly don't deserve the right to breathe this air? >> no, i think he has strong words there, trevor. >> well, he's absolutely right. and if it weren't for people like huw edwards, the trade wouldn't flourish and children are being tortured. and this is are being tortured. and this is a form of slavery. it's a it's a bestial act. and it is something that when a person of his stature is caught red handed in possession of these sort of things , he should be made an things, he should be made an example of, or at least pursued in the way that any other person in the way that any other person in the way that any other person in the country would be. and i think this is where the bbc fails. it allows its star performers to more or less get away with a behaviour which is

widely known, actually. >> but why? trevor? >> but why? trevor? >> this is very difficult to understand because, i mean, in the case of rolf harris and jimmy savile, the story is about both of them were circulated very widely, way beyond the actual environment of the bbc. people who had no knowledge of jimmy savile was certainly aware of his reputation . and yet the of his reputation. and yet the bbc put up with this for years, it is astonishing how fame in itself allows you basically to get away with almost murder is thatis get away with almost murder is that is that true, stephen? >> fame allows you to get away with practically anything. >> i think we can we can talk about these cases individually. i mean, jimmy savile was invited to chequers by margaret thatcher. she supported him. she backed him for he said he was actually given a papal knighthood by the holy father. he was a man who was in a very, very unique and very strong position . fame is a factor. fame position. fame is a factor. fame does actually surround you with a safety net sometimes, and there are people like that. you know, when john peel, all the stuff came out after he had passed and apparently people all knew about that at the time.

what we need to do is and i think, let's say, fair play to papers like the sun and organisations like yours today, we need to actually realise that sunlight is the best disinfectant. we've actually got to shine a light on these perverts and actually bring them up, not let them get away. just because they happen to have a bbc press pass or they. >> well, stephen talks about shining a light on perverts, but what about the people that actually defended these perverts, you know, back in the day and more recently, i come in for a lot of flak when i criticise the bbc, i think of people like jon sopel, who defended huw edwards, to the max, surely feels a little bit embarrassed now. >> well, it is astonishing, actually. the bbc remains a revered institution for which we are all bound to pay a significant sum each year. >> in a statement. this week, a bbc spokesman said the bbc is shocked to hear the details which have emerged in court today. there can be no place for such abhorrent behaviour and our thoughts are with all those affected. in november 2023, whilst mr edwards was suspended,

the bbc had his employer at the time was made aware in confidence that he had been arrested on suspicion of serious offences and released on bail, while the police continued their investigation . at the time, no investigation. at the time, no charges had been brought against mr edwards and the bbc had also been made aware of significant risks to his health. if at any point during the period mr edwards was employed by the bbc, he had been charged the bbc had determined it would act immediately to dismiss him. in the end, at the point of charge, he was no longer an employee of the bbc. we want to reiterate our shock at mr edwards actions and our thoughts remain with all those affected . those affected. >> brilliant start to the show with our left in the corner stephen pound and the former political editor of the sun, trevor kavanagh. but coming up next, we're going back in the day with comedian louis schaefer

welcome back to lee anderson's real world. and joining me now is louis schaefer, a comedian from new york, originally brooklyn. you told me , well, i brooklyn. you told me, well, i was born in brooklyn, but i was raised on long island. >> i'm like a jerry seinfeld jew or a joan rivers jew. it's a, you know, a jew who's left new york, left the centre of new york, left the centre of new york, then moved to the suburbs, then go back into the thing. >> why come to the uk? >> why come to the uk? >> why come to the uk? >> why ? because i had run out of >> why? because i had run out of opfions >> why? because i had run out of options and i was hoping for another group of people who and i was. i was misinformed. i thought you would appreciate this subtle, sophisticated humour that i have. and you don't. you know, you're very funny, but you're not funny in the way that we americans think you're funny. really? >> really. so how does the uk audience take to a comedian coming from from the states? i me not that well, but other comedians they like, >> no , it's english people. >> no, it's english people. they. you think you're the funniest people in the world. you're not funny. i mean, you

you are funny. you're actually. i mean, this is the thing this is what's happened to me is. i think you're funny. now i think, you know, the people you had on and you've integrated. i've integrated? yeah. i used to think i used to think that the comedians were not funny. and now i think the audience is not. >> so obviously, growing up in the states, you would have had comedy heroes. who was that? >> i like don rickles. >> i like don rickles. >> oh, rickles. when he does the roasts? >> yes. even before the roast. i loved him. before the roast, i loved him. before the roast, i loved don rickles. i loved, i loved, i loved white people screaming. this is why i like you is great scream. i like screaming, screaming . screaming, screaming. >> do i scream? >> do i scream? >> well, you do, of course you're screaming. you're screaming because you got a right to scream. so i'm looking at the, some of the old 50s and 60s shows from the united states. >> i used to love sergeant bilko. that was one of my favourites. the honeymooners, was that jackie gleason? i think it was. wanted some great comedians and of course, bob. 0h, comedians and of course, bob. oh, but he was. he was british, weren't he? >> really? well, you know what the interesting thing is? you're naming people before my time even. and i'm old. i'm a

pensioner, too. i'm ten years older than you are. i look amazing, but okay. okay. and, and so. yeah those are good people. really. i mean, i'm more like the more current generation, like when i because i only i start when i started comedy, there were people like norm macdonald and, you know, jerry seinfeld, those guys. oh, yeah. yeah, yeah. not that i but what about british comedians? i, you know what the some of the funniest people are british comedians because they have to face british order. >> so we all funny. we all funny. >> you can be funny. of course you're funny. but you're not universally funny. i'm nothing personal. there's no. there's no great british comedians who are around the world. yes, you know, maybe they might go to. >> so what about somebody like you talked about, rickles earlier on? i think the closest thing we've got to that with the roast now is ricky gervais. >> yeah , yeah, and he's amazing. >> yeah, yeah, and he's amazing. he's amazing. i didn't like him when i first got here. i've been here for 25 years. when i first got here, i just thought the guy was an idiot. but now. now i really like him. i guess that's that's what british people do. they bring you down again. >> you've integrated, you've

accepted our values, our culture. i have it's like, why i'm not going back to new york. >> i couldn't handle new york anymore. i just it's not a place where people can i couldn't handle. >> so that's interesting. what is the difference? you know, in from new york to living in london. what what do you feel? what do you see, >> well, i think the whole world is becoming one world again. i mean, with mass immigration and all that stuff. is there a difference? i think i think people put up with more here and tolerant . tolerant, i think and tolerant. tolerant, i think and i think because there's a lack of, like you're always talking about the lack of openness about everything . if you don't have everything. if you don't have openness, we don't know what's going on with any of these stories. you find out later that the guy's been on trial for like five years, and you haven't heard of it because you're not allowed to talk about it. it's allowed to talk about it. it's all this. you're not allowed to talk about stuff, which is maybe why which is a key to my success, is that is that i talk about stuff. it's like, oh my god, the guys actually said something. but any, any but actually comedians, i mean, i do watch your show on on gb news.

>> yeah. >> yeah. >> headliners 11:00 headliners. >> headliners 11:00 headliners. >> yeah. when i'm struggling to sleep i put it on and nod off pretty quickly. no seriously, you and leo are great. he's a good friend of mine. we are? yeah, but comedians can get away with a lot more sane, a lot more on tv in the guise of it being comedy. >> yes, because they have to remember that they're a comedian, and that's what i try to do. i remember that i write down about before every show i write down. i'm a comedian because no one wants to hear my political beliefs about what's going on in england. they don't want to hear it. and even if they know what, even if half the audience are, everybody was. they don't want to hear it. they just want to hear that. they want to hear not something funny, but they want to keep it light. >> reading your notes earlier, it said that you, gorge on raw meat and eggs. is that correct? >> that is correct. and i look amazing. the people could be. i'm 67. so the people can judge. you can look at look at the skin, feel the skin, feel soft. the skin is soft. yeah. delicious. so and yeah that's what i eat i eat raw, it's like a low carb diet. is it. it is a low carb. i've, i've been doing

this for about six years because i tried to i lost a bit of weight. i lost about £60. wow. the old fashioned way, which you can look because i never tried to lose. i tried whatever. and so i've been eating, i've been eating meat. and then about two years ago, i realised i should just be eating raw meat. why raw? because. because it's not destroyed by cooking. the a lot of the a lot of the nutrients are destroyed by cooking. you should cook certain food. >> you can't eat raw chicken though, can you? >> no, i don't need you shouldn't eat chicken at all because it's not. it's eating. i got a million rules. i'm not at the end of the day, if you want to be healthy, you raw meat. and hopefully the good quality eggs or even bad quality eggs are better than a good quality broccoli. >> yeah, i always like to talk to people from from different countries. louis i think we are a very charitable and welcoming and tolerant country. how does that compare to the us? >> i think i think you're you're not as charitable because you go around saying how tolerant and charitable you are. it's not

nice to do that if you just. yeah. >> because we're constantly told through the media and through all the political parties that we're not we're not that type of nation. >> and meanwhile, you that's why we say it. >> that's why i say it. that's why i say, i just pointed that out. is that your seething british people are seething and angry, and that's what i like about them. i didn't see it in the beginning. i didn't see the angen the beginning. i didn't see the anger. but there's tremendous anger. but there's tremendous anger in, in, in this country. you don't want it to get carried away. but that's i'm against i mean, i like i like when i'm angry and i like comedians who are angry, but i think that people need to be assuaged. >> so i always read these articles about comedians, a great comedian in this country who's been dead, a number of years. tony hanco*ck. yes. ever listened to him? yeah, but a lot of these comedians were manic depressives. they were really miserable in real life. but when they came on the stage, they just come to light. yeah. make people laugh. is that true? >> well, i think it's true for me. i mean, this is the best. this is the best part of i love this. you can invite me. i just i just pay just pay attention to me. i'm an attention seeker. i think comedians are attention

seeker. and they want people to like them. i think they're i think the comedian is someone who's been beaten as a child. so it's like, if you just smile, you're a little bit further away from being from having not. you don't smile, but you smile. if the audience smiles, it means that you're not going to get beaten. yeah. and it's like we're the opposite. we're different than politicians, politicians is a saying, which i made up a saying, which is comedians. when you're bored of comedy, you go into politics. and when you're bored of politics, you go into comedy. >> some people might say to you that a lot of the politicians are already comedians. >> well, you have to be you have to get along, but you can say what's on your mind where a comedian only gets paid when he says what's what's. a comedian has to annoy people, while a politician tries not to. >> so that's i think the politicians are more successful in, in annoying people. >> yeah. but so you have to be careful not to annoy somebody where i have to. i have to say to myself, did i like in this thing? i'll go home. if we when

i see it, i'll say to myself, did i say anything that annoyed anybody? >> listen, louis, that's great that that few minutes has flown by. but coming up next, we've got right versus left. we're a couple of right

now welcome to right versus left. i've got jerry hayes, former conservative mp, and stephen pound. he's been let out the old people's home for the day. he is here to discuss or debate, with jerry. how are you dean debate, with jerry. how are you dear, dear, dear, dear, it's a visitor. >> it's nice. mr lee. don't you know who i am? i knew who you were . were. >> oh, dear, dear, dear. yeah. look, i mean talking about pensioners. stephen, you're a pensioner. i know, i know, am i? yeah, there's been a theft this week. a big theft committed by that place over there. parliament >> no, by the labour party, by the labour party. >> first three weeks. what have they done? they've backtracked on all these promises they made. yeah. they've gone into your

bank account, stolen £400. so how are you going to justify it? >> i can, i can justify it very, very easily. look, the fact that people, you know, even the late queen got the winter fuel allowance is absolute nonsense as far as i'm concerned, if i lose £200 a year and that money goes towards the nhs to make it a better service, i'm delighted. let me. >> no, no, no, just stop you there, stephen. let me just stop you this. have you been getting the winter fuel allowance? yes. did you ever give it back? every time. every year. wow, what a socialist. what a socialist. >> i didn't, jerry. >> i didn't, jerry. >> no. is it theft? >> no. is it theft? >> of course it's theft. and it's a lie because, well, i'll tell you. look, you said. well, me and you. yeah, we can afford this, but there's a lot of pensioners who cannot. >> the genteel, they're on benefits. they won't actually lose it. >> yes, but only if they are on benefits. about 800,000 are on benefits. >> well, there could be more who don't claim. now, we should be educating people to say that they should claim there. >> so you tell people that they've got to choose between eating or heating. when it comes to choose between cold snap that was actually a labour line for the last four years. >> it was. >> it was. >> yeah, but you can't justify

that, can you? if i was a labour backbench i'd vote against that. >> well i'm sorry you disgrace it really is. look at the state of the national finances. look at what's happening with the underfunding and the police and the armed forces. look at the underfunding at every level of this country. >> but what about we've got to get the money from somewhere. yeah. yeah, absolutely. non—doms 0h, yeah. yeah, absolutely. non—doms oh, that's a good idea because that was a tory idea. well, but we're not too proud. >> but but jerry, seriously, for the past four and a half years, whilst i've been sat in that place over there, all the labour party of banging on about is increasing benefits for pensioners to pay the fuel bills. yes, extra financial help to help people pay their fuel bills. and what do they do three weeks after being in, they slash it and they rob you. >> well, hang on a second. who brought these in? gordon brown brought these in? gordon brown brought in the free tv. >> i'm sorry. >> i'm sorry. >> hang on. hang on a second. what about the christmas bonus? a £10 christmas bonus? are you telling me in this day and age, in a bankrupt country, we can give every single person tennen >> firstly, we're not bankrupt. and secondly, damn close to it. would you accept that there are a lot of poor people who are going to suffer and who are

going to suffer and who are going to suffer and who are going to be worried? they haven't been given no notice whatsoever? and isn't that a disgrace? >> there is one category of people who do need some help and attention, that is the people who are frankly too proud to claim benefits. now what you can do about that? i do not know. there are such people and i think we should say to them, benefits you know, the state's not doing you a favour. this is your entitlement. you've worked all your life. you paid taxes, you're entitled to claim those benefits. so claim it. >> so you've taken it away. what they're entitled to know if you're if you're claiming benefits, you still get the winter fuel allowance. yeah, but steve. >> stephen, look, you know, i you know, from from being a politician yourself. and jerry knows this when you give a particular group of people a benefit, that's a point. and they've had that for donkey's years. you cannot turn around and say you're not entitled to that without notice. >> if you'd say, you know, over a 2 or 3 year period, nothing. bang. and winter's not all that far away. >> it's a bit of bad start, stephen, aren't it for the labour party? >> no, i don't think it has. i mean, well, everybody else does. yeah, well i'm okay. that's their position and that's their choice. all i'm saying is we've

now got the grown ups are back in there. we've got a responsible child. >> you are joking. >> you are joking. >> i am not joking. >> i am not joking. >> yeah, that's david lammy as foreign secretary >> we're not talking about it. we're talking about rachel reeves. we're talking about rachel reeves. who were the exchequer, the prime, namely some grown ups. okay. the prime minister. yes. where's wes streeting? definitely a grown up. lisa lisa nandy. he's just up. lisa lisa nandy. he'sjust given 22% to the doctors. >> yeah, yeah, he hasn't given 22% of the doctors. >> all right. 11 per year. yeah. so it's 22% over three years. >> well, yeah. >> well, yeah. >> still inflation busting. yeah. it's going to cost £3 billion a year. >> i don't want i don't want a confrontation or a you don't a violent clash between pensioners. but but but seriously i mean we've seen all the promises before for the election about keeping the winter fuel payment. taxes aren't going to go up. listen. and then all of a sudden they found this £20 billion black hole. >> yeah, well, they hadn't read the newspapers. >> they're not use google. yes. >> they're not use google. yes. >> it's been said for years and it was thoroughly dishonest . we it was thoroughly dishonest. we are not going to raise taxes. oh no. look at the books. >> oh and they haven't read.

look, when you're in opposition and you're preparing to go into government, you have this thing called a transitional meeting with you've been to it, where you actually go to like in my case, i went to the northern ireland office before and they said, look, if you come in, this is what's going to happen, but we can't tell you everything. there's no way that the treasury actually opened the books. we didn't know what was under the bonnet until the day after the election. well, it's you for fiscal studies. >> well, let's talk about let's talk about that other grown up that's in the this in the cabinet, that's ed miliband. he thinks it's a good idea to give over £11 billion away to, to foreign countries in this crazy net zero journey. >> no. what ed miliband is saying and i happen to support this idea at the moment, we're actually paying sweden and south korea to build these wind farms. i want them built british jobs for british people in this country, and i think we need to have renewable energy. and i want to see those wind farms with a union jack flag on it. made in this country. >> it's a great slogan, but at the end of the day, you've got to tool up for it. you've got to. exactly. yes. but so let's start. takes a long time. it

takes a long. >> so is that an excuse for doing nothing, jerry? well no, but it's an excuse for starting now. which is what ed miliband is doing. we want renewable. >> i'll tell you what ed miliband is doing. he's going to bankrupt the country. no, no. >> i'm sorry. i don't want to be reliant on the sultan of kuwait or the emir of some somewhere or other. you know, for our oil. i want to see the lights kept on in this country. so why are they cancel the licences in the north sea? >> why have they done that? they haven't cancelled any of. >> they haven't cancelled a single licence in the north sea. >> not a single exploration. yeah, yeah, that's true actually they haven't. >> yeah. good god, we've agreed. >> yeah. good god, we've agreed. >> well, wow. wow. not for long. >> well, wow. wow. not for long. >> but seriously, i think, you know, i think we're in a spot of bother, jerry. i think they are, and this is not a labour party, is it? these policies. >> and it's a majority which is built on sand, a bit like boris johnson's. i mean, factions in the tory party, they're at each other's throats. you'll hear a lot from diane abbott. and if you think there was going to be a rebellion on as there was with the seven mps, but a lot of people didn't vote. well, there's a there's a well, no, but on pensioners, i don't think that's going to go through. >> and the i don't think can i

just say there's something, something really significant came out there about this labour majority built on sand. there's one thing i'm a labour person, but i'm also a democrat and a citizen of this country. there was about 120 plus seats where reform uk was second to labour. yeah, and if we ignore that, we ignore that at our peril. the labour party no longer has a natural right to vote just because we're not conservatives. there is now a new kid on the block and there are now different alter. we're in pick and mix politics nowadays. it's no longer the one, two, three. there's now. and i think we're looking at a realignment of politics. >> well i hope so because well i don't but i genuinely think that they had it all before the big realignment was in the sdp. >> the sdp were 400,000 votes behind being leader of the opposition. >> i disagree with you on that, jerry. they didn't have nigel farage at the helm and there is a there is a very david owen and very angry public out there , very angry public out there, really, really angry. and the one thing that sort of got my goat a little bit in that place over there, parliament, we got 4 million votes, 4.1 million votes did reform we and the lib dems got 3.4 million. they got 70 odd

seats. we got five. they won't even let us have places on select committees to scrutinise the government. >> well, i heard the answer to that. that's the rules where they ought to change. >> yeah, well it's in their gift to change the rules. they can change the rules. of course it is. why is that, stephen? why why won't the labour party allow us to scrutinise them on select committees? do you think that's fair? >> i personally, of course, i don't think it's fair. i don't think it's fair that actually the european scrutiny committee has been abolished. i appreciate that that was a pasture for will bill cash to trot around in. however, as far as i'm concerned, the select committee should be representative of the parties in parliament. now, you're not going to you're not going to give. if george galloway had been re—elected, he wouldn't have given him a seat. but there has to be a point. if he got five mps and you've got how many? 4 million votes. >> 4.1 million. >> 4.1 million. >> oh sorry, mate. yeah, but the tories only got about 6 million in in all honesty, in all seriousness, that that is a voice that has to be heard. and if we deny that voice, then those people are going to get angry and they're going to get even more furious. and then you see that 4.1 million will expand. so you should be on the select committee. and to be honest, i spent 22 years on

select committees. i wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. >> i love it, i love i love being on the select kids. there's a real camaraderie. everyone goes native and we all become friends. whatever party that's good for parliament. >> and i was on a select committee for the last 2 or 3 years on the home affairs. it gave me a chance to criticise my own government and hold them to account, and that's a good thing. >> and you learn such a lot of specialism. you do well, we never have. i was on the broadcasting select committee and the first thing we did was to vote to abolish the broadcasting of parliament. >> sir roger gale moved it. rogen >> listen, listen, guys, i need to calm. just take it down a notch or two. we're going to do the yes or no quiz. i think you've done this before, jerry, haven't you? yes. >> no, it's got it. >> no, it's got it. >> it's actually got it now, stephen pound is probably the worst ever reform on this one. i think he once got five out of five. did you stephen. >> no, i got five out of five. wrong >> first question. you got that wrong right. that's right. let's go to you first. stephen, hands on the buzzers. yeah. do we have two tier policing in the uk? yes yes . should our police force be yes. should our police force be armed ? armed?

>> no, no. >> no, no. >> solid answers should net zero. jerry. be cancelled? >> not. it's not. it's. no no, no, no is the answer. >> it's not rocket science , may >> it's not rocket science, may day, is it? you know it's a yes or no. or 110. >> or no. >> it's a it's a no no. okay. net i can't give you that. >> no yes or no. you said it's trying to be clever. it's trying to be clever. it thinks it can speak russian. >> i know he talks nonsense in their pay. i mean, he ought to be able to absolute rubbish, stephen, that was possible. >> can we get the care home on the phone, please, and get him back sharpish? porridge. go on. number four. stephen, was the labor party right to scrap the winter fuel payment? yes >> no. >> no. >> what a nasty, a nasty tory. >> what a nasty, a nasty tory. >> he after a period, aren't you? you're not going to get it. i turned it down, so did i. >> oh, are we done, guys, question number five. jerry, will donald trump win the us election? no, no. is it a memory thing i can't remember. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> hello. >> hello. >> all right, dear, don't worry . >> all right, dear, don't worry. >> all right, dear, don't worry. >> who are these people in my

bedroom ? yeah, you've said that bedroom? yeah, you've said that before . before. >> i bet somebody else has said it before as well. >> that was a good, good party. yeah, very good party. >> jerry, should the police be armed? no. okay reasons. >> reasons? because they work very well without being armed and there's enough guns on the streets. >> i agree with that, stephen. >> i agree with that, stephen. >> i agree with that, stephen. >> i mean, the police are armed where they have to be armed. and, you know, and we do have firearms units. we, you know, yeah, there are occasions. but the idea of somebody walking around with a heckler and k on their hip, i'm sorry. no, not in this country until dear policing, does it exist in this country? >> well, of course it does. yeah. okay. >> yeah. stephen. >> yeah. stephen. >> sadly. >> sadly. >> so it does seem a little bit unfair, you see. and sometimes i think the media has got a role to play in this as well. they sometimes report it's like a two tier reporting system where they'll just show you one side of the argument. i think the perfect example was a few weeks ago, but we won't go into deal detail on that. but they were showing clips on on different incidents which weren't actually incidents which weren't actually in order, which is quite naughty. stephen. >> that was outrageous. and it's a shame we can't talk about it because you know, in all

honesty, there's some very, very important factors came out about that. >> absolutely right. >> absolutely right. >> and we'll continue to do so. >> and we'll continue to do so. >> fake news in particular. >> fake news in particular. >> fake news totally fake. and yeah. and scary that there's a lot we could say. unfortunately there's a lot we can't say. >> i think we've all calmed down now the ambulance is waiting. stephen. we'll get you back there. yeah, in a jiffy. >> my porridge is getting cold. >> my porridge is getting cold. >> well, you're not going to prison again, are you? look, we call it the care home. >> look, coming up next, we've got nicola mclean on last orders

judith raanan . it's last orders judith raanan. it's last orders at the bar. and i'm joined for the second time on this show by nicola mclean. lovely to have you back. thanks for having me. reality tv star, glamour model. been on big brother a couple of times. any other reality tv show? >> celebrity? >> celebrity? >> i'm a celebrity. how was that, >> i loved it. i really enjoyed it. yeah. >> who was the big name on the. apart from you , obviously. apart from you, obviously. >> yeah. i never say her name. right. which is a real

injustice. so help me, martin. and rita. >> nato rata rata. latin lover. >> nato rata rata. latin lover. >> yeah, i loved her and robert kilroy—silk, who i just loved. he went out first, but i just loved him. labour mp, yeah. i thought he was brilliant. joe swash won it, yeah . so it was a swash won it, yeah. so it was a good year. okay. >> obviously a very glamorous lady. you look a particular way. a role model to probably thousands and thousands of young ladies out there. we spoke earlier about you know, men complimenting women on the way they look . sometimes they can they look. sometimes they can be, you know, get scolded for it. you know, back in the day, a pretty lady like you may have walked down the street and some blokes on the building site, mate, may have wolf whistled. is that a compliment, or is that. is that insulting for a woman? is that insulting for a woman? is it is it bad? is it the right, the wrong thing to do? >> it's really hard. so bringing up teenage boys, obviously we're absolutely not. and i would be mortified if i see my boys doing it. but lack of a certain generation, i feel like we the cancel culture is just too much. but for me, i get embarrassed and that's really bizarre .

and that's really bizarre. seemingly, i've got double g boobs that i've pumped up myself, so not physically pumped up myself, but went and got surgery, bicycle pump ? no, i surgery, bicycle pump? no, i haven't pumped my foot down. absolutely not. but gone and, paid for them to be bigger. so it's like i invite the, the attention, but then i don't actually want it. so i understand that i'm a contradiction. so i feel like we need to be gentle and educate men in how to be. >> so you invite the attention. but that's your job. that's your profession. is it to invite attention? and that's how you make your living. but you want to switch off when you when you're walking down the street and think to yourself, i don't really want that attention. >> yeah, i it's really weird. i'm actually quite shy. so like in real life, like, i in real life , i never wear makeup like life, i never wear makeup like i don't, that it's just not my personality. so yeah, i would avoid walking past a building site because i wouldn't want that. but i don't feel like we should be cancelling men for doing it. i feel like it's just a bit like, come on now, young girls obviously watching this show or watching your social

media and stuff like that, they're looking at you, nicola, you look a particular way very glamorous. >> and they wanted to get into this game and make money. any advice for them? >> well, the thing is like i would i don't mind onlyfans , but would i don't mind onlyfans, but it's not for me. i feel like when i did it years ago, page three was like really acceptable and it was a real fine line, you know? yes, it was topless and i'd completely understand for the mass that wouldn't be what they wanted to do. i was fine with it, but i feel like, by cancelling page three and cancelling page three and cancelling the lads mags, we've then moved on to like something that pushes young girls to do more and more and more , and i more and more and more, and i worry about that. so i'd much prefer people to girls to be doing page three than to be going on onlyfans, because i feel like you get a real, you get lured in with like onlyfans and social media accounts because you might earn a certain amount in a month , but then amount in a month, but then those people won't pay you if you're not doing more and more and more. and i feel like people are going more down the p*rn route, that wouldn't. so it is

worrying for me. >> it's quick money for these, for these young ladies into the onlyfans and the p*rn. very dangerous though. >> is anything quick? money that's what i was going to say. you know, it's weird because i'm really more than happy that i was a page three girl. i loved it and i hate it when i see other successful page three girls running it down because i feel like come on, we had a really good time. obviously, your experience is your experience, but i have to say that when i was 18 and doing page three, i never thought about having an 18 year old son. and then he's going to see it onune and then he's going to see it online forever, my 14 year old, so that it comes with a lot of explanations . yeah. and i can explanations. yeah. and i can say, do you know what it was? page three people go topless on a beach and i stopped when i fell pregnant with you, which is what i did. these girls are not. maybe their explanations are going to have to be bigger because they're doing more. >> so i understand, nicola, that you also support a group that wants to protect animals, supports the well—being of animals. do you want to tell me

about that? yes. >> so i'm i've campaigned with, peta for, for many years. i'm not a vegetarian. i'm not a vegan. i'm you know, i understand, but i just think, like, let's do it humanely. let's do it humanely. like, let's do it humanely. let's do it humanely . and some let's do it humanely. and some of the, some of the ways that we eat animals is inhumane. >> for example . >> for example. >> for example. >> farquhar. yeah. so, you know , >> farquhar. yeah. so, you know, we're pumping ducks and then their liver blows and then we eat it. and it's that for me, you know , so there's ways the you know, so there's ways the way that we chickens, you know, just do it kindly. >> i always struggle with this. i struggle with this argument because i am a meat eater. yeah. me too. i'm getting these, funny twangs, as i get older about becoming a vegetarian or eating less meat, i'm starting to think more about the animals that we're eating rather than just a piece of meat. i'm not, you know, because i think most of us, we grow up, we don't associate that. that piece of bacon or that piece of steak or

beef or whatever with an animal. we just see it as food. yeah and then and then you talk quite rightly about how we treat from our animals. but i always think i'm a i'm a bit of a hypocrite because i want to treat animals fairly and i love my dog and treat him fairly and would do anything for him. but then i go and eat an animal and we breed these animals to eat. and i think that's quite cruel. i do, i mean, of course, yeah, we are all hypocrites. >> exactly what i just said there. like, i don't like people wolf whistling at me, but then i've gone and got double g boobs. it's like, absolutely. but if we're going to eat meat, we can do it in a right way. we don't need to do it inhumanely, okay? we don't need to be foxhunting. we don't need to be wearing fur because they're skinned alive for the fur. that's not what we need to be doing. but yeah, i will eat chicken tonight. probably. and i'm quite happy to do so. but it's the way we do it. >> it is the way we do it, right? we're on the pool as well with nicola today. you've done this before, aren't you? yes. oh let's get one out. i think it's that pump there. okay. and you've done this before. i know it quite good at this. >> i mean, watch this. look at

this. >> natural. got the right till oh 40 >> natural. got the right till 0h 40 500. oh 40 500. >> it's 0h 40 500. >> it's going to be a frothy. yeah. oh, god. >> oh, the speed's too much . >> oh, the speed's too much. >> oh, the speed's too much. >> 000000. >> 000000. >> that's it. >> that's it. >> you've got to put it on the bar. >> oh can you bleep that out please . please. >> sorry. we've had you know that's not my fault there. >> you apologise i do apologise to the viewers at home. >> there's been some foul language on the show. >> that's not my fault. i'm not taking that i'm not i've that's their stephen pound earlier. >> and i've got nicola swearing on their gas as well. we'll get what do you think to that . what do you think to that. >> no that's rubbish i'm really disappointed. >> i think you did quite well last time when you came on the show. yeah. >> because their pumps were better. yeah but week in, week out nicola, we have, we have guests on the show who pour a much better pint than that. >> and they do not blame the equipment . equipment. >> well, i'm blaming him. >> well, i'm blaming him. >> so what've you been up to over the past few months? >> i'm being a mum at the minute. yeah. enjoying that summer holidays and. yeah. looking after the boys. yeah. >> i think i want to give you a eight out of ten for that few

men. >> i'm actually fuming because i'm a competitive person. >> i'm moving forward. i've seen, you know, i checked your notes earlier. you've done all this stuff, all this tv, all these reality tv shows made a bit of a name for yourself. where do you see yourself in ten years time? >> oh, i i'm the least like, so i'm competitive. >> i don't want that to be my pint, but i'm not very ambitious, so. no, it's really. i know everyone thinks this. no one believes me, but i'm actually not ambitious, so i'm. i don't believe i know i'm not all these reality tv shows you've been on, so i'm competitive . once you put me on competitive. once you put me on there, i want to win. but i honestly, if i won the lottery, i'd never work again. i'm really happy at home. >> but you must have some ambition for your children. for them to do. well, surely. >> obviously. yeah but whatever they want to do. so. yeah whatever they want to do, they both want to become footballers. i'm very aware. that's really hard. but i tell them it's possible. >> i know the last time you came on, you spoke about your husband who was a professional footballer. what's he doing with his dan azeez, >> so he coaches my younger son,

and he is in footgolf, which is really i've seen that on tv where they boot the ball into like, i hate it, but he goes away and competes for england. it's really weird. and he also has a concierge service, so he's busy. so yeah , i'm i'm like busy. so yeah, i'm i'm like a 19505 busy. so yeah, i'm i'm like a 1950s housewife making pancakes and waffles. it's fine for me. yeah. >> and what's your go to meal when you're in the kitchen? >> oh , i'm now you're tied to >> oh, i'm now you're tied to the kitchen. i am, i'm actually a good cook, tom. actually. honestly, if he has to cook, they get a takeaway. if i have to cook, he doesn't have it. i'm very good at. i make a good curry. i make a good pasta. i'm a good cook. >> okay? >> okay? >> i'm a catch here. >> i'm a catch here. >> i'm selling myself like, oh no, well, you're already taken, but i'll try this, i think i gave you eight out of 10 or 7. >> eight out of eight. yeah. no, don't lower it. >> cheers. that's on the pole with nicola mclean. thanks for watching. lee anderson's real world. another great show. a bunch of cracking guests. more of the same next week. but coming up next, we've got friday night live with mark dolan .

night live with mark dolan. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers . sponsors of boxt boilers. sponsors of weather on gb news >> good evening. here's your gb news weather from the met office. it is going to be relatively warm, not as hot as it has been, but warm and sunny at times through much of this weekend though, there will be some rain pushing through initially. we have a front making its way southeastwards through this evening and overnight that's already brought quite a bit of rain across scotland and northern ireland, but it's now clearing these areas and so here it is going to turn mostly dry overnight, with some clear skies for england and wales, though, turning increasingly cloudy and there will be some outbreaks of rain around where we have the cloud, temperatures aren't going to drop much. another warm night to come, but quite a bit fresher across scotland and northern ireland, dropping into single figures, particularly in more rural spots. but first thing tomorrow across in many parts of england and wales it is going to

be a bit grey. initially there will be some outbreaks of rain around and worth bearing in mind. some of the rain could be a little bit heavy at times, a bit brighter first thing across nonh bit brighter first thing across north wales and much of northern england, though some cloud here and there . a brighter start for and there. a brighter start for scotland and northern ireland. just a couple of showers starting to feed their way in from the west as we go through the morning. eastern scotland getting off to a lovely fine start to the day with plenty of sunshine here. those showers though, across western parts of scotland and northern ireland, will become more widespread here as we go through the afternoon, and some heavy ones are quite likely . meanwhile, across likely. meanwhile, across southern southeastern parts of england here we will have some bursts of rain through the day and these could be heavy at times before they clear away later. elsewhere, a good deal of dry, bright and sunny weather and with temperatures albeit not as high as they have been getting into the mid 20s, it will feel warm in any sunshine . will feel warm in any sunshine. sunday should get off to a fairly fine start , albeit fairly fine start, albeit a fresher start than of late. for many of us before some wetter weather starts to push its way

in from the northwest, and this is likely to bring some heavy rain as we go into the beginning of

gb. news >> yes. good evening to you at home. hope you're well. you made it. it's the weekend. it's friday night from the world headquarters of gb news. this is friday night live with me. ben leo. i'm in for mark dolan tonight who returns at 9 pm. and i'll be joined by mark at the end of the show to reveal exactly why we've swapped gigs tonight. lots to get through this hour, including should huw edwards return his licence fee funded salary and that whopping 300 k a year pension to the bbc is robert jenrick the man to lead the conservative party and the olympics general, whilst not a trans issue, does it highlight potential dangers if men are allowed to compete in women's sport, not least boxing, and have labour opens the union floodgates following those

bumper pay rises forjunior bumper pay rises for junior doctors ? doctors? and getting stuck into all those topics tonight are my friday studio guests emma woolf, shahab mossavat and doctor roger gewolb. my friday fielding monologue is coming in just a tick. but first, your news headunes tick. but first, your news headlines with sam francis . headlines with sam francis. >> ben, thank you very much and good evening to you. it's just coming up to 8:02, and we start this hour with some breaking news just coming to us from sunderland tonight , where sunderland tonight, where hundreds have gathered in the city centre for a protest linked to monday's southport stabbing spree and subsequent violence there. the march set off earlier to loud cheers, with some protesters waving england flags and chanting for tommy robinson. you can see there on the screen the moment that a taxi driver

was stopped in the street as protesters kicked the vehicle and threw stones towards it . and threw stones towards it. footage on social media showing protesters surrounding it and attacking it with stones, others shouting anti—islamic chants could be heard as mounted police and officers in vans took to the roads to keep the peace. we're also just hearing from the news wires here that there has also been a stand off between police and protesters outside a mosque in sunderland that's on saint mark's road, police in riot gear reportedly coming under attack there with stones and beer cans and glass bottles being thrown at them. we will, of course , at them. we will, of course, throughout the night, keep across all of the details from sunderland and up and down the country, where police are preparing for more protests. as the prime minister visited southport for the second time this week to announce a package of support for the town. and dunng of support for the town. and during his second visit there, sir keir starmer praised the town's resilience and announced mental health support and events to bolster local cohesion. he also met with emergency services

and paid a visit to alder hey children's hospital, where many of the victims who were attacked on monday were being treated . on monday were being treated. turning to other news now, robert jenrick has claimed that the conservatives lost the july's general election because of a broken promise on immigration. the former minister was speaking at the launch of his campaign to become the tory leader and to succeed rishi sunak, mrjenrick also claimed the british political system has in his words, appeared either unwilling or unable to secure the uk's borders. >> broke our promise to the british to public deliver controlled and reduced migration and the secure border that the pubuc and the secure border that the public rightly demand. we allowed the cycle of broken promises to continue and as a minister, when i concluded that i couldn't secure any more changes to our legal migration system, i resigned from cabinet last year .

last year. >> as we heard from ben at the top of the hour news on newsreader huw edwards, former newsreader huw edwards, former newsreader now huw edwards, a mural in his home village in carmarthenshire has been removed. that artwork has now been painted over, while institutions including bangor and cardiff universities are reviewing their ties with the ex—bbc presenter after he admitted to accessing indecent images of children. the culture secretary, lisa nandy, is calling on the bbc to reclaim the 2000 £200,000 in salary that mr edwards received between his arrest in november and resignation in april . prisoners resignation in april. prisoners who've been released as part of an exchange between russia and the west have spoken of their burden that others are still in jail. it was the biggest exchange of prisoners since the cold war, and included dual russian british citizen vladimir kara—murza. he was detained following opposition to the invasion of ukraine. well, in exchange, eight russian prisoners were freed, including an assassin who was serving life in germany . we've heard tonight

in germany. we've heard tonight that 96 migrants are suing the uk government, claiming they were badly treated at the manston processing centre in kent. their lawyers claim the group were unlawfully detained between september and november 2022, and allegations also include lack of access to hygiene products, removal forced removal of hijabs and inadequate conditions for children and pregnant women. the home office haven't yet filed their defence. and finally, some olympic news for you. team gb have won another three gold medals today, the seventh day of the paris games , taking their tally so far games, taking their tally so far to now nine. the wins came in the equestrian team jumping final on the trampoline and in the waters two with the women's lightweight double sculls race. and in the last few minutes there's been more medal success, with two silver medals being gained in the pool. ben proud came second in the men's 50 metre freestyle, while duncan scott was runner up in the men's 200 metre individual medley . 200 metre individual medley. things are looking good for team gb. time will tell to see where

we end up. those are the latest gb news headlines. for now i'm sam francis. more in an hour for the very latest gb news direct to your smartphone, sign up to news alerts by scanning the qr code, or go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> thank you sam. well, as jeremy kyle used to say back in the day, well well, well, who'd have thought it? disgraced former bbc star huw edwards pleads guilty to making 41 indecent images of children. and now faces up to ten years in jail. a fall from grace . indeed. jail. a fall from grace. indeed. we know his dark secret now, of course . westminster magistrates course. westminster magistrates court was told on wednesday that seven of the 41 images fall under category a, which is the most serious classification, and that's included two movie images of a young child, possibly aged between 7 and 9 years old. grim is an understatement, but the real story now is the total vindication of the sun newspaper, isn't it? who,

despite a torrid backlash to its original reporting of edward's liaisons with a young man during lockdown, continued in its pursuit of the truth by violently ploughing on with its brave journalism ? regardless, brave journalism? regardless, aside from the fact he'll probably still bag his 300 k year pension, which we'll get on to later in the show, edward is now done and dusted. he's finished. but it's interesting, isn't it? i've not heard a peep from those who hysterically defended him to the hilt last yean defended him to the hilt last year, choosing to rather slam the sun newspaper and its journalists as hom*ophobes and muckrakers muckrakers rather than a tabloid doing what it does best. the sun's former editor david yelland , who, by editor david yelland, who, by the way, appears to be on some sort of left wing internal guilt trip about his time at the helm of the paper , tweeted this in of the paper, tweeted this in july 2023. he said i wish huw edwards well. the sun inflicted terror on hugh despite no evidence of any criminal offence . evidence of any criminal offence. this is no longer a bbc crisis. it's a crisis for the paper. owen jones said the sun is a disgusting rag and they have to

pay disgusting rag and they have to pay for what they've done to huw edwards. they tried to destroy someone's life with false claims of illegality involving a minor. we now know there was no criminality and the sun have dnven criminality and the sun have driven a vulnerable man into medical care . boohoo. twitter medical care. boohoo. twitter armchair warrior terry christian said if huw edwards hasn't committed any criminality, would the sun be guilty of harassment? time for leveson two and former bbc man jon sopel , now of the bbc man jon sopel, now of the newsagent's podcast, said this is an awful and shocking episode where there was no criminality but perhaps a complicated private life. i hope that will give some cause to reflect on a complicated private life is one way of putting it, isn't it? i've not heard a peep from any of that lot since edwards pled guilty on wednesday. i've not heard an apology to the hard working journalists at the sun who made it all happen. not least editor victoria newton, reporter scarlett howell's newsdesk boss alex goss and sun legal eagle adam cannon and his colleagues. and do you know why this is the truth? because the sneering left couldn't ever bnng sneering left couldn't ever bring themselves to admit they were wrong and that the scummy

tabloid they looked down their noses at was right. but the truth is, it was right . and it truth is, it was right. and it was the sun. what won it? let's go to my panel now . political go to my panel now. political commentator emma woolf, writer shahab mossavat and geopolitical expert doctor roger gewolb. good evening. three. my producer said i could slide over here on my chair, so i'm going to do it in fashion. there we go. okay, what do you make of the reaction from the left? we've not heard a peep from anyone like jon sopel, emily maitlis, owen jones. they they've got their tail between their legs. >> well, there's not much to react to because they haven't. yeah. we haven't heard a peep from them. it's amazing, ben, to think that it was only a year ago, 8th of july, i think it was 2023 that they broke the sun, broke that story with that headline, and we were all plunged into this kind of five days of i think, i think it was something like mystery. bbc star in in sex probe or whatever it was that went on and it only went on for like five days, but everyone was agog. who was it who was it? and then the name started to surface. and then on the 13th of july, his wife, vicky flint, came out and said,

it's hugh. and that was all the sun. that was all this. if you look at the cover, you know that those days. front page of the sun absolutely brilliant investigative journalism, they were uncovering the truth. and that's what papers should be doing. but i think we should also remember that there are for all that there are victims involved here and there are young children and minors involved in this case. and they are the victims. >> yeah, of course . indeed. and >> yeah, of course. indeed. and the sun victoria newton went on a radio station, i think it was yesterday saying that the reason we pursued this, despite the raft of legal problems ahead of us and, you know, the backlash from people like david yelland, who really has a bee in his bonnet about the sun. i don't know what's up with him, i said. i mean, it's akin to kind of white guilt. it's tabloid guilt. but they ploughed on because they said it was for the victims. shehab, your thoughts on these kind of people i referenced in my monologue and yet. >> and yet tim davie knew about everything back in november. so all these people were saying these things, and he knew the truth of the matter. he knew the allegations that were out there.

and yet, as the bbc does , it and yet, as the bbc does, it obfuscates and it obstructs and it stops the investigation in their defence, in their defence. >> i think they were told by the cops what was happening and it would have really seriously prejudiced that case. >> i'm an ex, i'm an ex bbc employee. yeah. jimmy savile was everybody's dirty secret. everybody at the corporation. i'll take i'll take this on the chin . everybody at the chin. everybody at the corporation knew this long, long, long before the allegations came. >> they knew huw edwards was wrong'un. >> the people at the top, the people on the board knew about huw edwards. they knew they. tim davie is coming out and saying, i knew in november, but do you not? he knew last summer. >> do you not see the point that if they if the word had got out that he had been nicked in november for these images, it would have really seriously prejudiced any future trial? i mean, if the papers had got hold of that social media, it would have been completely, you mean, rather than the drip, drip, drip that went on afterwards that surely that that prejudices the proceedings still further undermines them still further ? undermines them still further? >> because as people go around

with this conjecture, what it does, is it actually erodes the process of justice. >> roger, do you think that's why people like jon sopel, a former bbc man, you know, bbc running through his veins, were so violent in his defence of huw edwards saying that what happens in someone's private life is his own business. there's no criminality. and you know , criminality. and you know, calling the sun maybe not him, but others calling the sun hom*ophobic. >> well, you're asking a different question now. i mean, i think you're right, and i think you're wrong. it doesn't matter what the people inside were gossiping about. and probably, on any given day, 80% of what they're gossiping, gossiping about was probably wrong. anyway, your point is correct. you can't have legal proceedings or investigations with that sort of leaking going on. so i think they i think they were right to do that, and all the people that you've mentioned, you know, who've come to the, the owen jones's and the rest, well, you know, they need to eat some humble pie, that's all. that's all there is to it. >> how so? how can they eat

humble pie? what should they do? they're not wrong, roger. if you were going to be eating humble pie, you're not going to issue. what would you do? >> they're not going to do anything. they're going to wait till it blows over and goes away there. >> i just need to issue an apology. >> do you know what the ironic thing is? these kind of people, these leftists, these protecting their dinner class, clique , their dinner class, clique, champagne, champagne, social champagne, champagne, social champagne, socialists, they look down at people who work at the sun. they look down at tabloids like the sun, because it's not proper, proper journalism. it's proper, properjournalism. it's not, you know, but it's not the guardian, the sun is the only outlet in the last couple of weeks, at least, who's broken original journalism. people like jon sopel, lewis goodall, emily maitlis, they don't break any stories . they sit there and they stories. they sit there and they talk about what's been going on in the news. they don't investigate, they don't break stories. >> they take shots. >> they take shots. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> well, i mean, the editor of the sun tweeted yesterday, this is not about non vindication. this is about the children and i quote tweeted and i said yeah absolutely. modesty is modesty is very admirable. but credit where it's due i guess i guess guys playing devil's advocate

because we need to provide balance . balance. >> you could say people like sopel >> you could say people like sopel, maitlis, goodall, owen jones, david yelland didn't know about the severity of huw edwards behaviour. and yet the establishment always makes it its business to defend itself. >> and when it comes to the sun, it's always treated with contempt because it's seen to be a voice for common people . a voice for common people. >> yeah, yeah, that's the thing. they just think sun readers are thick, don't they? but again, on gb news viewers are thick. >> again, i'm going to agree with you. it's not about ofcom. you didn't need that for ofcom. you're absolutely right. that is the balance they wouldn't necessarily know. and so yeah i think it's a fair point. >> interesting as well . scarlet >> interesting as well. scarlet howes, who worked on the huw edwards story last year, she's a reporter at the sun. she in the last couple of months, also broke the just stop oil story about them planning to disrupt the m25. yeah, they went to the police with those that those pieces of information. and that's why people like roger hallam at just stop oil have now got five years in the bhangar. so again, another one for, i don't know, scarlet. she, i used to work at the sun, but she joined after i left. but another piece of great investigative

journalism by people and their as well their political team is excellent. >> you know they were they were dunng >> you know they were they were during the election. they were getting all of the, you know, never mind the ballots. they were getting all of the first interviews with starmer, with sunak, with whoever the leaders are. >> so i don't want to i don't want to blow smoke up the sun's backside too much. but but yes, but it's not a rag. >> it's not a tabloid rag. >> it's not a tabloid rag. >> exactly. and, yeah , i think >> exactly. and, yeah, i think there needs to be more respect, not just for the sun, but just for sort of tabloidy outfits, tabloid newspapers, alternative broadcast media like gb news, investigative populism, and then sneering, well, what is populism? >> populism is what people are responding to. >> investigative journalism. yeah. >> which seems to have gone out of fashion in many other places, or isn't even done at the bbc 2015. what we were being told was to toe the line. >> yeah, well, if the bbc did their own job and did some investigative journalism, maybe they'd known about huw edwards and told us about him. long before. >> what happened to bbc verify that? >> well, yeah, of course, that's, has that i haven't quite caught up with that. has that faced the ringer today? has it been axed? >> that's wishful thinking, i

think. yeah i think i think the, the bbc verified the last story was about 3 or 4 months ago. >> so it seems like they've like very silently shelved their project. >> they're busy verifying things. >> yeah right i can imagine. yeah. wink wink. anyway guys, thank you very much. great start. i'm going to slide back to my mark over here. this is going to be good fun tonight isn't it. coming up we're going to stick with the huw edwards story because, should he return his licence fee funded salary over the past year at least, which was in excess of 350 k, and also this 300 k a year pension as it stands, bbc rules says he gets to keep his pension despite the criminality, despite the fact that he could be facing up to ten years in prison, he'll still be getting 300 k a year of licence fee money. i think it's outrageous. i'll see what the panel think of it. yeah. btec elsewhere the olympics gender houn elsewhere the olympics gender hour, whilst not a trans issue of course, does it highlight potential dangers if men are allowed to compete in women's sport, not least in the boxing ring where it appears blokes are smashing women in the nose? you're watching friday night live on gb news, britain's news

hello. welcome back. hope you've got a cup of tea by your side. or maybe a tea if you're feeling adventurous this friday night we're sticking with huw edwards now because he was reportedly paid a handsome 470 5ka year by the bbc whilst under investigation by the police, for those, the crimes that he's been pled guilty to on wednesday and also £200,000 since his arrest in november and this is on top. get this of a 300 k a year pension, which apparently he is going to be paid regardless of whether he goes to prison. so should he pay that pension back? roger gewolb. >> well, i never amazed. i never ceased to be amazed at how the bbc is a law unto itself in the entire world of commerce , entire world of commerce, including the world of media entertainment in new york,

hollywood, los angeles, every contract with every high profile person has got morals clauses , person has got morals clauses, disrepute clauses, and every contract with any senior executive has got what's called a bad leaver clause. you behave badly, you lose your shares in the company that you had, you lose your options, you lose your salary , your pension. and you salary, your pension. and you know what? he don't need 300 grand while he's doing his bird. do he? so in any event, i think absolutely that should stop only the bbc could be awarding people contracts that don't have any penalty for them bringing their own organisation into huge disrepute. well it's outrageous, tim davie, the director general, said today that it would be, quote, very difficult to claw back nigh impossible. >> these are unfortunately the specifics of how it works. >> that's the contract they gave him , which is insane. no commercial. >> so where so where is this morals clause? has anyone seen

the morning show on apple tv? the morning show? it's about breakfast tv show. yeah, yeah. so, steve carell's character gets into some sort of sexual mischief . yes. and he loses mischief. yes. and he loses everything, all his pension because of this morals clause. so why hasn't huw edwards got moral? >> because it's the bbc. they're a law. they they they feather their own nest. they protect themselves. there isn't a company in britain. there isn't a law firm in britain that would draw up an employment contract for somebody without these clauses in it. only the beeb does this to protect their own and insulate themselves from any kind of criticism. >> it does seem astonishing that their contracts are, i mean , as their contracts are, i mean, as roger describes it, completely out of whack with any other commercial media contract. >> and i'm sorry , how dishonest >> and i'm sorry, how dishonest of tim davie to not say we don't have those clauses, which everybody else does. we should fix. it's quite difficult. you know, it's tricky. >> they might not have the clauses. >> they might. well, i think i think clearly they don't. by tim davies. that's the problem. >> there's something wrong with these contracts. >> very much so. and do you know what the bbc has form on this. they do this consistently. this

isn't a one off. this isn't this isn't a one off. this isn't this is not the exception to the rule. this is the rule, george entwistle was the director general of the bbc for two months, 54 days, in fact. and he went off with more than half £1 million in his pocket for failing both managerially and editorially in his responsibility to ensure that people victims were safe . people victims were safe. >> and guess what? i want to share another secret with you. look at any giant quango in britain . it's going to be britain. it's going to be exactly the same jobs for the boys. revolving doors. yeah, extraordinary . extraordinary. >> yeah, sorry, but the salaries, the bbc salaries, anyway, are scandalous. we have people like gary lineker who have them over a barrel for some reason, have them over a barrel, breaks all the rules, keeps getting his salary, keeps saying, well, i could work somewhere else. i think it's been proven that he couldn't work somewhere else for more, but they seem to sort of have some kind of hidden power. the one thing i would say is for huw edwards, i'm not just going to say money doesn't make you happy, but the what he's done it won't make any difference. you know, another £300,000 a year

pension. it's appalling as well. >> i don't know , he'll probably >> i don't know, he'll probably be. i mean, knowing our justice be. i mean, knowing ourjustice system, he'd probably be out if he gets ten years, he'll be out in maybe 4 or 5 for good behaviour. and then he's got all this money 300 k m. that's not just a couple of quid. 300. yes. >> he has to live with what he's done. and i you know, i think about that, all of these things, the thing that really annoys me is just a member of the public is just a member of the public is the fact that the bbc allowed this man to resign. >> they didn't sack him. they didn't dismiss him, they didn't throw him out. they didn't take away his honour when they should have done well. >> i think what annoys people is that we're paying their salaries and mostly that is what annoys us. >> us. >> in the beeb's defence, they didn't. he was charged latterly after the fact and also they were concerned about his mental health. he had his wife coming out and saying that he'd been checked into some. >> does anyone worry about the mental health of those children? >> yeah. no. of course. no, you're quite right. i'm just. i'm just. no, but that's. >> no again, he's right. i mean, you can't. it doesn't work like that legally. i mean, they couldn't do that. >> i'm not worried about the legality. i'm actually worried about the morality. but the bbc would. you know what we over concern ourselves with legality

and far too little with morality, i think. >> i think when you're again defending the bbc, which is quite interesting of me tonight, when they're handling multi—billion pound budgets of essentially taxpayer money, you've got to do things by the book.soi you've got to do things by the book. so i kind of understand it. right. let's move on from the beeb and huw edwards. i've had enough of it. the olympics. did you see the boxing gender roles caused controversy this week? so imane khelif of algeria and taiwanese boxer lin yu ting have both previously failed gender tests, but they won their first fights in paris. so whilst apparently not a trans issue, doesit apparently not a trans issue, does it highlight potential dangers if men are allowed to compete in women's sport ? compete in women's sport? >> emma woolf i think danger is the right word. is this fair is one question. i think we need to work out where we are on gender and competition and competitive sports , especially something sports, especially something like boxing. but okay, is it fair? but is it safe? because actually the female boxer who withdrew from the fight after, what, 45 seconds, the italian, the italian said that she literally had never been punched so hard. yeah. so i just think and i'm not a geneticist and i, i'm still struggling to get my

head around the x, y and the y y. and what actually is the truth about khalife, about. because apparently they were born if khalife was born female and has lived all their life as and has lived all their life as a female and scientifically they're not a man, then i don't really understand why the boxing authorities, the epa did a quote unquote gender test. >> that's all it said. and they said he has x y chromosomes. so he's a man. and let's be honest, we don't need we don't need a weatherman to tell us what, you know, whether it's raining outside. >> i know and i've read coverage saying they were born like, no, i've read coverage saying they were born female and are not scientifically a man. so it's not absolutely cut and dry this one. but we need to work out what we think about this, because either you have women competing in women's sports and thatis competing in women's sports and that is safe, and then men competing against men. and then you have a trans category. yeah >> why is it so complicated? we don't want men in women's sports. surely it's not new. >> it's not new. stella walsh at the 1932 olympics was proven to be a hermaphrodite, with both sexual sets of organs. after she

died, and yet won a gold medal at the 1932 los angeles games. what discipline ? the 100m, the what discipline? the 100m, the blue ribbon? as a woman or as a woman? as a woman? and there's the interesting point, isn't it? all of these cases are of people who may have male advantages, who may have male advantages, who who compete in women's categories. it's very in fact, it's almost absent that it is someone competing in a male category that has transitioned or identifies or has identified or identifies or has identified or may be identifiable as a woman. >> roger, i just find it mystifying . mystifying. >> i mean, if we're only talking about people who have mixed genes and are hermaphrodites or could be both such a small number of people, why are we even wasting time talking about it? if, on the other hand, we're talking about trans issues . talking about trans issues. yeah, then i really personally do not think that men and women should compete in each other's

sport. >> well, sure. i mean, i don't know why anyone would support that. i just find it completely. >> well, there are plenty of people who do. >> i know? >> i know? >> and i find it crazy. >> and i find it crazy. >> we're talking about women who have a high level, who have high levels of testosterone when it's indeterminate, that sort of indeterminate, that sort of indeterminate thing, when the dna, you know, when because that is an intersex. >> the term is intersex. exactly exactly. >> and testosterone is the kind of hormone of power , isn't it? of hormone of power, isn't it? it's the one of it's the one of strength. >> but even when people even when people say, well, this trans, this trans man trying to think of which way round is this trans man has little woman, trans man has little woman, trans woman has, almost zero testosterone back to, you know, to female levels . that doesn't to female levels. that doesn't make a difference. if they've gone through male puberty, they're still they've got they've got massive lung capacity, great bone density, atp, the explosive chemical in the muscles , which allows them the muscles, which allows them to really explode off the ground. they've got much, much more of all that kind of stuff. so it doesn't matter if you've got low testosterone. i'm sure plenty of blokes around the uk and the world have low testosterone. they are still more powerful and can still pack a punch. yeah interesting. what do you make about the olympics generally? do you know what?

i've not watched any of it since the, i just, i just i was on another program , on another another program, on another station, and i talked about the opening. you weren't on another station, roger, were you? >> i talked about the opening ceremony and it so far has had a million hits in five days. people were interested. i just said it was the most disgusting thing i've ever seen. i had to buy a bottle of cillit bang to get the vomit off my telly screen. i mean, ijust can't believe what kind of sick people . believe what kind of sick people. yeah, in in the in the. i mean, you know, i came here from france. i'm bilingual when i'm in france, i'm french, i don't, i can't believe the french people could put up with something. >> well, the, the, the olympics committee had to apologise for any offence caused by that last supper picture. >> well, not only the last suppen >> well, not only the last supper, but but all the all the rest of the rating and all the inappropriate frans smurf you had. >> i don't know if you saw no one's really talked about this on, on the tv, but online there was a very quick, screenshot

taken of the opening ceremony where one of the guys. yeah. how to explain this without being too graphic? exactly. parts of his anatomy showing that was everywhere. >> that was everywhere. >> that was everywhere. >> i've been on holiday this week. >> that was really, really hanging out. >> it was unbelievable. yeah. >> it was unbelievable. yeah. >> do you reckon? >> do you reckon? >> i reckon that was intentional. >> of course. >> of course. >> i mean, not just a mistake . >> i mean, not just a mistake. >> i mean, not just a mistake. >> of course. it was so sick in the country where culture and literature and arts and food, that's the thing. style is supposed to be the pinnacle of the world. >> so much to celebrate about france. where are the baguettes ? france. where are the baguettes? where was the red wine? where was the class and the style and the parisian garlic and the bicycle? the parisian flair? like where was the frenchness of it all? >> believe that. and you know, the french usually, you know, they put down speed bumps in the street and people don't like it, so they start blowing their horn at three in the morning every time they go over speed bump, they do something to go out and burn tires in the street where were all the french people that normally would go and burn something like that down? yeah. i mean, nobody objected. it was

unbelievable, i was flabbergasted. >> it's because it's because the ioc has seconded macron and macron wants to play ball with them. and it's because france wants to be part of this selectorate and commentariat, this wokeness that absolutely enveloped the world is because the person who is defending the ioc to the hilt on these issues is a person called mark adams. who was your friend's best man, >> oh, yeah, he was a keir starmer keir starmer. >> my friend keir starmer's best man. >> look, i think i think you're i think you're right. and i think that macron did it because of the european elections. yes, i think that he figured these kind of tastes, these kind of people are the people who voted in the. >> but did macron have any input into the opening ceremony? surely not. >> oh, sure. nothing happens in france without the government. he's the putin of france. >> he's he's just trolling all the right wingers in. i mean, it was an absolute it's so

unwatchable. >> what's astonishing to me is that , yes, >> what's astonishing to me is that, yes, you >> what's astonishing to me is that , yes, you get >> what's astonishing to me is that, yes, you get this >> what's astonishing to me is that , yes, you get this crazy that, yes, you get this crazy woke vision. i mean , the woke vision. i mean, the artistic director was completely mad. yeah, well, france and it all gets put together, but do no committees go? hang on a minute. this is awful. do you remember our opening ceremony 2012? beautiful. everybody loved it. people still watch it . people still watch it. apparently. weirdos. people still watch it and weep because it was so beautiful. i mean, it was france, but it's so odd that no one stopped this. roger because it was mad. yeah, everything. >> everything that happens in france happens through what they call the combine. through the. i mean, it's just it's been there for centuries. revolutionaries from the revolutionary times and, you know, i mean, somebody issues an order, we're going to do this. and that's what happens. >> or it's the guillotine or it's the guillotine just on that mark adams point. >> can i just give you give you something here. his x account describes him as so mark adams is the olympics communications. he is. he's the director of communication for the ioc. >> best man. >> best man. >> best man. >> best best man. his x account describes him as ioc comms director , world economic forum

director, world economic forum chief editor, euro news editor, itn, bbc working to make tokyo 2020 a success. this is a minor super villain from the schwab comic universe. >> yeah, he's got his fingers in all the pies. really well, look, france has fallen, putin, macron. sorry. isn't, you know, akin to putin? >> well, no wonder macron went on holiday. >> france hasn't invaded anyone, of course, and also, you know what? we don't want to incite violence by calling for riots and so on, although the french are famed for that. but, you know, let's hope the, the, the electorate in france, you know, somehow pushed back on this. but they seem to like macron, don't they? they voted for the left wing. they voted to keep macron in when le pen was surging. so. yeah. democracy. >> well, no, i mean, i mean, macron took a real beating. >> he's he's a lame duck for the next three years. >> well, some would argue he's still in power, but there we go. great discussion. up next. have labour opened the union floodgates following those bumper pay rises forjunior bumper pay rises for junior doctors. all right. for some. wasn't it? you're watching friday night live on gb news,

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michael welcome back . now labour have welcome back. now labour have opened the floodgates haven't they. by giving teachers and then junior doctors massive pay rises. but now gps want their slice of the pie. and they've announced their intention of course they have to effectively strike. so who will be next? >> shahab mossavat well, there's so many others in these essential services that could follow radiologists, ambulance drivers. there's so many not pay disputes, but certainly pay claims that are in the offing. and pandora's box has been opened.so and pandora's box has been opened. so obviously, if you go along and say junior doctors are along and say junior doctors are a special case, teachers are a special case, we've got to bring them up to standard. then other people will say we've fallen behind too and we need to be brought up to spec too. >> surely labour rachel reeves expected this. you know, once you give 20% here to the junior

doctors, 22%, whatever it is, you got the paramedics, you got the radiologists , you've got you the radiologists, you've got you got every man and his dog now saying, well, hang on a minute, where's my pay rise? >> there are so many essential aspects of the public sector. >> i mean train drivers. we need teachers. we need a lot of a lot of britain functioning depends on these people. but labour are in a really sticky position because they said we're not in power in opposition. they said they would accept the recommendations of these independent pay review bodies. and now they've discovered this £20 billion black hole. >> oh yeah. i mean, that's that's a complete joke. >> and yet they're going to be they're going to be hit by demands from every which way. but but are they 22% to me for junior doctors. sounds like quite a nice pay rise. i know it's over two years and it's there. you know, it's 8% and then it's 10%. and £1,000 bonus payout. yeah. big bonus. but for many in the private sector, can i ask roger, who are not getting anywhere close to 22? >> because roger, you said i said there's a £22 billion black hole. and you said, that's not true. why is it not true? no are they inventing that?

>> no, i said, that's bs. >> no, i said, that's bs. >> oh okay. >> oh okay. >> well all right i used a different word you did. >> is it more or is it less. >> well, first of all, let me say that i think that the junior doctors are quite different than train drivers and other public servants. i mean, we don't want the nhs to fall apart in what way? >> in what way are they? >> in what way are they? >> well, they're far more essential to the everyday lives of britons. yeah, but train drivers , when you have things drivers, when you have things like the bus or drive. but if you need an operation and there's nobody there to look after, you , i my personal after, you, i my personal feeling is that they're more essential in terms of the black hole, it is a total fabrication. so, i'm surprised it's so modest. i thought it would be something like 80 or 100 million just to justify some tax rises and to, you know, throw some sticks and stones at the tories, politicians. and this is just what i hate about them. they do this sort of thing all the time.

we only have to go back several novembers to bates motel hunt, telling us that we had a £55 billion black hole. if you remember, 25 billion of which he was going to fill with stealth taxes, which he did the next day , taxes, which he did the next day, bringing us to the highest level of taxation since her late majesty's coronation 70 years ago. and the other 30 billion he was going to fill from cutting, defence, education, nhs, police, blah , blah blah. but 48 hours blah, blah blah. but 48 hours later, he kicked that into the long grass and said we'll worry about it later. it's never been heard about again because none of it existed. it was absolute something that rhymes with leaks. let me just finish. please five think tanks came out within ten minutes and said, you know what? if fishy rishi and bates motel hunt had not changed the way we calculate our national debt from the way they used the formulae all the time that fishy was chancellor, we'd have a £15 billion surplus

today. it's utter nonsense. >> so what? >> so what? >> so what about the obr then? i mean, what does that do? what does the office for budget responsible make a lot of bad predictions most of the time, rachel reeves said three weeks before the election. >> right. she gave an interview to the financial times. she said, i cannot this is verbatim. icannot said, i cannot this is verbatim. i cannot just turn up to the treasury on day one and say, oh , treasury on day one and say, oh, whoops, there's a there's a big black hole here. we didn't realise the mess was as bad as it was. >> how could she, as a shadow chancellor, not have known all these figures for a very, very long time? >> and as we've said throughout the election campaign, their sums don't add up . sums don't add up. >> i mean, they take us for absolute imbeciles and this new government is worse than the last one it is. >> they don't care. they think we're stupid. we watch the we watch the msm, we watch the mainstream media with their economic experts, get on and mouth this party line about all this nonsense. >> and it's not true. >> and it's not true. >> and it's not true. >> and when she talked about that 20 billion black hole that she just discovered, she said,

yeah , britain, a broken britain, yeah, britain, a broken britain, it's broken six year old. >> i believe it. >> i believe it. >> and i have to fix this mess. and it's just a very, very bad look. first day, first week i used to make coffee at the bank of england. >> so i know what i'm doing. >> so i know what i'm doing. >> yeah, well, the budget is coming in autumn. no doubt. capital gains. i suspect inheritance tax aspiration nafion inheritance tax aspiration nation no longer. brace yourselves for it. right. moving on. prime minister sir keir starmer said, quote, action will be taken towards those found to be taken towards those found to be involved in violent protests connected with the southport stabbings. starmer said police officers across the country are to increase their cooperation to tackle violent disorder. and i think we've got some pictures now also of scenes breaking tonight in sunderland, so there's large groups gathering in the north—east. looks i mean they're kicking a career now. i was going to say it looks fairly tame, but maybe it could be escalating smoke bombs going off, why only now , emma, this off, why only now, emma, this call from sir keir starmer, we didn't see. i mentioned earlier today on a show i did. we didn't

see this kind of address to the nafion see this kind of address to the nation from the lectern, from sir keir starmer after the leeds riots. >> we didn't . and i think many >> we didn't. and i think many of us have been saying this tension has been mounting for weeks, if not months. it seems very odd that he's now made two visits to southport and is now treating it seriously. there is a problem with law and order. there is a problem. we've seen this on the streets. the police, whether they need more resources or they need to , you know, or they need to, you know, manage all of this better. but it seems really, really strange that he's now saying, that we need to take action. >> yeah, it seems a bit of an inqu >> yeah, it seems a bit of an insult to, you know, concerned, frightened brits who are just worried about the way the country is going less than a month ago, we had an election in this country and 34% of those that voted supported this government. >> they have no mandate. it was on a it was on a turnout of 60%. that means only 1 in 5 britons wants this. 20% to 20% wants this government. it matters. it m atters. matters. >> and they call it a landslide. >> and they call it a landslide. >> okay. and they called it a

landslide. and they awarded them 67% of the seats. that is unsustainable. >> it is kind of a landslide, like an avalanche. where are the mountain breaks off. >> so these people that are out on the streets and i'm in no way justifying violence. you cannot do that. but these people that are out there feel unrepresented. they feel voiceless. 4.1 million people voted for reform. and i'm not suggesting that these are reform supporters, but they got five members of parliament for that . members of parliament for that. less than 3.6 million voted for, for the snp. and yet they got nine. now there are all the calculus is wrong in our electorate. >> we had we had a vote on an av vote av 9/11 the worst of all systems. >> and we vote no and there. >> and we vote no and there. >> but that's irrelevant. the point that shahab is making is that there are a lot of voices out there. many of those people maybe didn't even vote. they're not being heard. there's a democratic vacuum. >> yeah, i think i think sir keir starmer really missed a trick with that with that speech.i trick with that with that speech. i mean, i was watching

it as a parent. he didn't once mention about how he's going to keep our kids safe. you know, i was thinking, okay, so what happens now if i put my kids in nursery during the week when i'm at work and then some? i'm fearful someone's going to come in with a knife. no address at all. >> you think that labour would, would, would, would be closer to us and have their finger on the pulse of all 68 million of us better than the oxbridge ppe tories, but actually they're worse. they haven't got a clue. >> okay, all right. great stuff. thank you trio. we'll be back shortly. we're going to carry this conversation on after the break. plus is robert jenrick the man to lead the conservative party quite cruelly. he sometimes nicknamed robert jenrick for being a bit of a bore, but i think it's a bit unfair. and could they really win the tories? the next election? he certainly thinks so. you're watching friday night live on gb news, britain's news

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i'm going to teleport you live now to downing street where something interesting has happened. they're lit up the front of the building in a pink light and that's in tribute to the three young girls who were killed in the southport stabbings . alice dasilva aguiar stabbings. alice dasilva aguiar nine. bebe king, who's six, and elsie dot stancombe, who was seven. these are live pictures now from downing street. they've lit up the front, in pink lights and that's in tribute to those three little girls. when i first saw these pictures, literally 15 seconds ago, i thought, that's nice, nice tribute, you know, nice, nice tribute, you know, nice nod to the girls, but, i'm thinking now a bit deeper about it and it's like, okay, yeah, that's fine, that's nice. but, this doesn't change anything. this doesn't address the fear and the concerns swirling around the country. it's kind of like the country. it's kind of like the phrase don't look back in anger or, you know, prayer thoughts and prayers. thoughts and prayers. i mean, okay, so what doesn't really do much, but i'm sure maybe the victims

families will be appreciative of that stunt. right we move on. robert jenrick has launched his campaign today to become leader of the conservative party. here's what he had to say. >> those of you who helped in my campaign, who put their heart and soul into it, who fought for this community, for our party, for our nation nodes to your core that we can do this . so core that we can do this. so enough of defeatism. we can win . enough of defeatism. we can win. >> so can the conservatives win at the next general election. can he become leader? let's find out. emma woolf shabab mossavat and doctor roger gewolb are here to give their take. emma robert jenrick robert jenrick. >> let's keep it clean. >> let's keep it clean. >> is he the man for the conservative party? >> well, it'd be a bit odd if he launched his leadership bid and then said we can't win in the next election. so he's kind of got to say they can win. i think there is a huge opportunity for them. i think there's still a real appetite for centre right, true conservatism that isn't i

don't think it's reform. i think there is this appetite. i think there's a there's a there's a lot of residual loyalty to conservatives. you have people in this country who have voted conservative for generations, but they'll say, no, emma, you don't . there was a massive don't. there was a massive opportunity, but the but the conservatives need to sort themselves out from, you know, root and branch reform shabab. >> they'll say they've gone so far askew and they've almost been made, been wiped out . been made, been wiped out. they'll say you don't win elections from the right, don't lurch to the right. you need to come to the centre. >> no you don't, but there is no room for them in the centre. the centre is occupied. the room thatis centre is occupied. the room that is available is on the right. and i'm afraid reform will take most of that up. there are 98 seats. it's about electoral calculus. this is. this is the problem that faces the tories. they cannot win in five years. they may be able to win in ten years, but i doubt it. i think they will become a footnote in history. i think reform will do very , very well reform will do very, very well in 2029 or whenever an election comes because they're sitting

pretty in those red wall seats and there will be red meat for them there, if you'll allow that part. i think that because they're challenging mostly labourin they're challenging mostly labour in those seats and they will capture those seats. i believe en masse. yeah. >> farage nigel farage said himself a few weeks ago after the election, he said, we are coming for labour. we are gunning for you. keep your eyes peeled, labour. keep your eyes behind you because we're coming. we're targeting labour seats because labour under starmer is actually the tory party. roger last word to you. >> conservatives aren't conservative and haven't been for a long time. they have as much chance of getting elected as i do of becoming the principal dancer of the royal ballet. >> well , that's still time, >> well, that's still time, rogen >> stranger things have happened. >> i mean, and jenrick, i've seen your pirouettes and he is very nimble on his toes. >> and jenrick i mean has the personality of a fish who robert jenrick. >> yeah. i mean come on. >> none of these people , none of >> none of these people, none of the usual suspects. the current

players is prime ministerial. none of them is going to lead this party and this party right now this party is toast. >> so who is going to lead them? >> so who is going to lead them? >> i don't know who. >> i don't know who. >> probably priti patel or somebody, but it's all a waste of time. maybe suella. but i think that what, shahab says about about reform is true. i think they will gain in power the conservatives are gone. >> you've got 15 seconds. >> you've got 15 seconds. >> okay. i think jenrick will win. but i think all of the things that he's pointing to are absolutely wrong. he's being disingenuous. he was a for minister immigration, for housing and for health and he failed on all of those. and it's rubbish to blame it on other people. >> okay. emma woolf shahab mossavat and doctor roger gewolb. thank you emma, i know you're itching to get a point in there, but we'll push the time because we're graced now by the presence of mark dolan, who is covering for patrick christys tonight. what's coming up, mark? and why am i doing your show? and why am i doing your show? and you're doing the show that i was meant to be doing? >> well, i was told you were going to the pub, so off you go get the drinks in. i'll see you at 11. listen, we've got a

really busy two hours reacting to the huw edwards scandal, his first public comments on national television, tv news legend john sergeant gives his verdict on a scandal that has rocked the bbc and in my take at ten, britain is not safe enough for harry and meghan. but they're off to colombia . make it they're off to colombia. make it make sense. a really busy show 9 to 11 keep it gb news love it can't wait. >> well look mark tomorrow i'm going to be joining you on your show tomorrow night saturday night because i'm heading to scotland early in the morning. i've just come back from there actually on a family holiday, but i'm going back up there because we have something very, very exciting and special for you.the very exciting and special for you. the gb news viewers. so i'm going to accomplish that mission. i'll come back and i'll give you, mark the full report. that's all from me for tonight. i'll join mark, as i said tomorrow from 9 pm. to present that big exclusive. don't miss it. now here's mark golan . it. now here's mark golan. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news

>> good evening. here's your gb news weather from the met office. it is going to be relatively warm, not as hot as it has been, but warm and sunny at times through much of this weekend though, there will be some rain pushing through initially. we have a front making its way southeastwards through this evening and overnight that's already brought quite a bit of rain across scotland and northern ireland, but it's now clearing these areas and so here it is going to turn mostly dry overnight, with some clear skies for england and wales, though, turning increasingly cloudy and there will be some outbreaks of rain around. where we have the cloud, temperatures aren't going to drop much . another warm night to drop much. another warm night to come, but quite a bit fresher across scotland and northern ireland, dropping into single figures , particularly in more figures, particularly in more rural spots. but first thing tomorrow across in many parts of england and wales it is going to be a bit grey. initially there will be some outbreaks of rain around and worth bearing in mind. some of the rain could be a little bit heavy at times a bit brighter. first thing across nonh bit brighter. first thing across north wales and much of northern

england, though , some cloud here england, though, some cloud here and there. a brighter start for scotland and northern ireland. just a couple of showers starting to feed their way in from the west as we go through the morning. eastern scotland getting off to a lovely fine start to the day with plenty of sunshine here. those showers though, across western parts of scotland and northern ireland, will become more widespread here as we go through the afternoon, and some heavy ones are quite likely. meanwhile, across southern southeastern parts of england here we will have some bursts of rain through the day, and these could be heavy at times before they clear away later. elsewhere, a good deal of dry, bright and sunny weather and with temperatures albeit not as high as they have been getting into the mid 20s, it will feel warm in any sunshine. sunday should get off to a fairly fine start, albeit a fresher start than of late for many of us before some wetter weather starts to push its way in from the northwest, and this is likely to bring some heavy rain as we go into the beginning of next week. so do watch out for some high rainfall totals, particularly across northern and western parts. i'll see you

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